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Presidential Hopefuls Pressed on Gay Issues

Seeded on Sat Jun 2, 2007 3:45 PM EDT
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politics, white-house, republican, democrat, elections, hillary-clinton, 2008, romney, 2008-election, john-edwards, bloomberg
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Senator Hillary Clinton and other Democratic presidential hopefuls--as well as Republican former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, considered the most gay-friendly of the GOP major candidates currently in the race--also oppose marriage for same-sex couples.

...and...

It's already a liability for Romney's campaign. To get elected in Massachusetts, he had to present himself as a moderate on social issues. He is running away from that record as fast as he can.

...while...

The dynamic could change if a state court issues a pro marriage for same-sex couples ruling or if New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg or another potential third party candidate enters the race. Bloomberg, a Republican, has very publicly bucked his party's platform by advocating for gay marriage.

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aktylor

Interesting points in this article and it raises the question: If there's more important issues in this race, why are the Democrats running away from it and the Republicans switching sides?

It looks like Bloomberg is the only one who takes a solid stand.

  • 9 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 3:49 PM EDT
Zeta Price

I'd like to see each one's "official" statement on this issue and watch how it changes as the race heats up.

  • 13 votes
#1.1 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:01 PM EDT
aktylor

Finding some interesting things on Wikipedia:

Clinton: No comment on gay/same-sex marriage.

Obama: Same as Clinton.

Giuliani:

He does, however, support the preservation of marriage between a man and a woman and considers it holy.

Romney:

Romney sent a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans, where he was quoted as saying he would be more supportive of gay rights than Kennedy himself. His letter included the phrase "We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern."[49] However, he opposed both same-sex marriage and civil unions in Massachusetts; when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered such marriages be permitted, he lobbied for a constitutional amendment to overturn the decision. He has renounced his past support for domestic partnership benefits.

Bloomberg:

Bloomberg claims to support the legalization of same-sex marriage in New York. However, he appealed a decision finding the limiting of same-sex marriage unconstitutional. "My personal opinion is that anybody should be allowed to marry anybody. I don't happen to think we should put restrictions on who you should marry.... What the city doesn't want to have happen is people getting a marriage license and then six months, or one year later, or two years later, finding out it's meaningless," he has said.

  • 8 votes
#1.2 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:20 PM EDT
Jan Erlfinger

If Clinton made it to a second term, I'm sure she'd take on the issue. She seems like the type. But based on the above, and considering this is an important issue to me (I remember when my uncle couldn't enter the ICU where his partner of 23 years lay in critical condition), I'm going to hope that Bloomberg makes up his mind to run.

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:36 PM EDT
aktylor

I skimmed through the official sites of the leading candidates. Romney and Bloomberg are the only ones who have any commentary whatsover on gay issues (they're also the only ones who allow a person to search their site).


Romney's site

Bloomberg's site

  • 4 votes
#1.4 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:43 PM EDT
indecent

Here is Obama's floor statement when speaking in regards to the constitutional ban on gay marriage awhile back.
He mostly seems to think it's not a government issue. He personally believes marriage to be between man and woman, but thinks gays are entitled to their happiness, and that the issue surrounding gay marriage (especially the ban) was a small subject detracting from real work that should be taking place.

  • 3 votes
#1.5 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:22 AM EDT
indecent

Oh, sorry, forgot to mention that Senator Clinton is against gay marriage.
She's been a supporter of the Defense of Marriage Act since it was signed into law and was one of the people to propose the the gay marriage ban should be part of the constitution.
The Empire State Pride group has encouraged it's members to stop giving her money or donations for campigns in the last year or so...

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:25 AM EDT
rightofkhan

I had no idea about Clinton. Very interesting... very surprising.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:46 AM EDT
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rightofkhan

The Democrats east least have to attempt to steal some votes from dissatisfied Republicans, and this is one way to do it.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:07 PM EDT
beapluss

Marriage is between a man and woman. Period.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:24 PM EDT
rightofkhan

Marriage is between a man and woman. Period.

Let me correct you on a grammatical point. Your sentence should read:

Marriage is between a man and a woman. Semicolon. Or a woman and a woman. Semicolon. Or a man and a man.

  • 17 votes
#3.1 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:27 PM EDT
insert_name_here

Marriage is between a man and woman. Period.

Says who?

Marriage is a religious institution. Therefore, if my religion wants to marry two men, or two women, than what are you, or your religion, to say about it?

The government needs to get the hell out of religion and quit regulating marriage. The government should issue civil unions to any two consenting adults who want one. Current marriages should be converted to civil unions. It's nothing more than a change in words.

  • 12 votes
#3.2 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:48 PM EDT
middleground1

I agree.

Two good friends of mine in California - a straight couple - tried to get a civil union (in protest) and they were chased out of City Hall.

  • 10 votes
#3.3 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 4:53 PM EDT
exomnium

Except for most of history when it was between a man and a woman and a woman and a woman and a woman and...

  • 4 votes
#3.4 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 7:06 PM EDT
More Than Happy

... and has absolutely nothing to do with love.

  • 1 vote
#3.5 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 1:12 PM EDT
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mopgirl5

Gay marriages should be treated the same as straight marriages--a union between two people who love each other. That's it. It's stupid that we're trying to prevent two people who love each other from being together.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 5:24 PM EDT
Saint Louie

Yes, they should be. And most or nearly most people tend to agree.

But for whatever reason, politicians think that agreeing with the public is the same as declaring that they're Satanists. From my perspective it's counter intuitive.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Sat Jun 2, 2007 6:01 PM EDT
chindi

Its funny how those on the extreme right use the same arguments against gay marriage as they did against inter racial marriages, isn't it?

  • 1 vote
#4.2 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 5:02 PM EDT
PolitiChris

OK so I might reveal a slight liberal bent here but...

Gay marriages should be treated the same as straight marriages--a union between two people who love each other.

...what business does the government have deciding who's in love with whom?

My brother jumped through a bazillion hoops to prove he was "in love" with his foreign-born bride-to-be. The whole thing seemed unseemly.

  • 1 vote
#4.3 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 11:32 PM EDT
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Sectim42

Government needs to get out of the marriage business. Government should only be concerned with civil unions - of all sexual orientation. Leave marriage to religion.

Shameless Plug: Jesus Said... (A Social Commentary on Homosexuality)

  • 2 votes
Reply#5 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:31 AM EDT
rightofkhan

That sounds like a solution, but does that mean that people would have to have two ceremonies to reap the benefits within their religious community and have the privileges offered by the state?

  • 2 votes
#5.1 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 11:56 AM EDT
Sectim42

That sounds like a solution, but does that mean that people would have to have two ceremonies to reap the benefits within their religious community and have the privileges offered by the state?

No you could combine it into one ceremony. It really would function EXACTLY the same as it does now, but just allow for homosexual couples get married by non-religious environments (i.e. Justice of the Peace, Judge, etc...)

This really isn't a logistical question in the sense of the ceremony, but a logistical solution related to what happens after the wedding (shared benefits, unquestionable wills, equal tax rights, etc...)

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Sun Jun 3, 2007 8:15 PM EDT
aktylor

Doesn't that get us right back to the square-one issue?

    #5.3 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 12:27 PM EDT
    PolitiChris

    Doesn't that get us right back to the square-one issue?

    I don't think so, as long as the government has a single definition of marriage that can apply to same-sex couples.

    • 1 vote
    #5.4 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 11:34 PM EDT
    Sectim42

    Doesn't that get us right back to the square-one issue?

    No. As far as the government is concerened: the same-sex couple has a legally binding civil union that enables homosexual couples the same rights and freedoms of heterosexual couples (tax reduction, insurance benefits, and legal jurisdiction to include the other member in a will and not be questioned by parents).

    • 1 vote
    #5.5 - Mon Jun 4, 2007 11:46 PM EDT
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