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Bloomberg and Schwarzenegger: The New Action Heroes | TIME

Seeded on Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:38 AM EDT
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The Hollywood brute and the Wall Street mogul may look like the oddest couple since Twins, but there's a reason Schwarzenegger calls Bloomberg his soul mate. They're both self-confident, self-made men who rose to stardom from middle-class obscurity — Bloomberg in Medford, Mass., Schwarzenegger in Thal, Austria — through Tiger Woods-level determination and Donald Trump-level salesmanship.

They're also doing big things. Specifically, they're doing big things that Washington has failed to do. Specifically, they're doing big things that Washington has failed to do. In a time of federal policy paralysis, when partisanship-on-crack has made compromise almost impossible, when President George W. Bush's political adviser is a household name but his domestic policy adviser was unknown even in Washington until he was arrested for shoplifting, cities and states are filling the void.

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aktylor

Tip O'Neil said that "all politics is local." In some ways I've never understood what he meant, but this article brings it to light. These guys are right: there's no reason why the country has to wait for the Federal government to fix things when we can solve problems on our own turf.

But my question is, why are the poster boys for effective local government thinking about the White House? Bloomberg is clearly poised to join the race and Schwarzenegger is trying to change the constitution so that an immigrant can run for the office.

  • 12 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:45 AM EDT
Zeta Price

Can an immigrant be vice president? A Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger ticket would be interesting. (Though the bumper sticker would be a yard long.)

  • 16 votes
#1.1 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:00 AM EDT
BettySanders

(Though the bumper sticker would be a yard long.)

And think of the button!

  • 6 votes
#1.2 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:23 AM EDT
Jack Richter

"Can an immigrant be vice president?"

I think the VP has to meet the same eligibility requirements as the president, as in a natural born citizen.

  • 9 votes
#1.3 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:41 AM EDT
aktylor

I think the VP has to meet the same eligibility requirements as the president, as in a natural born citizen.

Anybody know where it stops? I mean, third in line is the speaker of the house and he clearly he doesn't even have to be from planet earth (see: Newt Gingrich)

  • 7 votes
#1.4 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:52 AM EDT
Tania Meredith

Title 3 of the United States Code requires that anyone succeeding the president meet the requirements for president himself.

So the question is: Could Schwartzenegger serve as Bloomberg's vice -- but not be in line to succeed him if he vacates?

Interestingly, that would make the Speaker 2nd in line.

  • 9 votes
#1.5 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:01 AM EDT
Dances With Younger Ladies

So the question is: Could Schwartzenegger serve as Bloomberg's vice -- but not be in line to succeed him if he vacates?

As far as I can tell, to serve as Vice you must meet the eligibility requirements for President. The same does not appear to apply to Speaker of the House or anyone else in line to succeed.

If someone in line to succeed did NOT meet the eligibility requirements (over 35, natural-born citizen, resident of the US for at least 14 years) then he or she could NOT succeed -- and it would pass down the line.

  • 5 votes
#1.6 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:18 AM EDT
PolitiChris

But my question is, why are the poster boys for effective local government thinking about the White House?

AK, why not? Do you think they wouldn't be just as effective on a national level?

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:21 AM EDT
PolitiChris

drunkongod is right. Title 3 is pretty clear:

If, at the time when under subsection (a) of this section a
Speaker is to begin the discharge of the powers and duties of the office
of President, there is no Speaker, or the Speaker fails to qualify as
Acting President, then the President pro tempore of the Senate shall,
upon his resignation as President pro tempore and as Senator, act as
President.

The only vague language is "act as President" instead of "become President." That's presumably cleared up by the precedent set when Tyler succeeded Harrison in 1841.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:43 AM EDT
Pamela Drew

Bloomberg is clearly poised to join the race

Despite all the speculation Bloomberg is far from joining the race or making the cut in a National way. Corporate shills get elected and Mike is owned by no one. As for Arnie, he's not the first actor the Wall Street gang has promoted with the White House in mind but changing the Constitution has its own challenges.

  • 4 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:40 PM EDT
worldlybedouin

But my question is, why are the poster boys for effective local government thinking about the White House?

AK, why not? Do you think they wouldn't be just as effective on a national level?

My initial reaction is, it's one thing to understand your state's constituents...it's another to try to aggregate that onto a national level. Not to mention, I'm sure their respective social & political networks allow them to wield more power and influence vs the much larger stage that is DC.

However, if the person can be effective in transitioning from a "local" frame of mind and quickly build the same type of social & political networks, then I don't see why he couldn't succeed.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:11 PM EDT
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rightofkhan

"Nature abhors a vacuum," says Bruce Katz, director of metropolitan policy at the Brookings Institution. "And the vacuum at the national level is immense."

How pathetic - I'm glad someone has the courage to stand up to Bush and his pack of clowns.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:05 AM EDT
Brian White

What do you mean? States were never meant to meekly wait around for the feds to tell them what to do. This doesn't talk at all about confronting Bush. That misses the point, which is that states don't need to worry about if something is being handled on the national level, they can just act.

  • 2 votes
#2.1 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:40 PM EDT
aktylor

You're right, Brian. The states are just that - states. Their own government. But the states and the feds like to play ping pong and bounce troubles back and forth so that no one has to actually address it. I'm glad that there are people at the state and local level who say the buck stops here.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:43 PM EDT
bainphysics

everyone calls Bloomberg a RINO but isn't taking local action the heart of republicanism. at least it was before the republican party went to hell.

  • 1 vote
#2.3 - Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:30 AM EDT
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paxilnation

Bloomberg hasn't etched his personality into the city's soul, but major crime has dropped 30% in New York in the Bloomberg era, without the racial antagonisms of the Giuliani era.

Reminds me of something heard Chris Rock say when asked about Giuliani -- "Giuliani's like a pit bull. He's great to have around when someone's breaking into your house, but when you're not home he might eat your kids."

  • 7 votes
Reply#3 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:30 AM EDT
Tania Meredith

HAHAHAHA You rock, Rock!

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:02 AM EDT
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bainphysics

"What good is a 70% approval rating if we don't take risks?" he asked his aides... "The naysayers who think global warming is too big a problem just don't have any vision," he says.

interesting that bloomberg took some huge risks when his ratings were in the 20s. bold thinking doesn't have to be in bed with high approval rates it seems

  • 4 votes
Reply#4 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:51 AM EDT
aktylor

Good point, but then again, President Chaney has been pretty bold and it hasn't helped his ratings.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:54 AM EDT
PolitiChris

Guess it depends on how you're purposing your boldness. I can't think of anyone more evil than Dick Cheney.

Oh, wait, I forgot about Rove.

  • 5 votes
#4.2 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:23 AM EDT
worldlybedouin

Cheney and Rove are evil? Must have missed that email. Hmm...I've not been getting my regular emails from the RNC...wonder if perhaps there's a problem with their email system. I know some of my RNC emails were accidentally deleted, so perhaps it was one of those? Could someone forward me that memo? Thanks.

  • 3 votes
#4.3 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:14 PM EDT
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Learn Piano

So if he's going to be an action hero, Bloomberg needs better catchphrase. "Get a life!' just doesn't seem to measure up against "Hasta la vista, baby."

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:53 AM EDT
Flo Kalman

Very impressive article. They do make a strange pair, but I'll take realism and rationalism in whatever package it comes in.

  • 4 votes
Reply#6 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:40 PM EDT
TheJonesGirl

As a Californian, I have to admit, I have been surprisingly surprised by Arnold...he took some time to break into his political stride (learning that holding special elections isn't a good thing, necessarily). I most likely wouldn't vote for him for president and was against the recall that got him into office as I didn't think Gray did anything to warrant a recall, but that's the breaks of democracy--but he hasn't been as scary as I feared.

Nor has he suddenly become chummy with W since his (Arnold's) re-election.

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Thu Jun 14, 2007 7:55 PM EDT
Jack Richter

I know that Bloomberg pretends to be a Republican so that he'd get Giuliani's endorsement for mayor, but why did Arnold pick that party?

  • 1 vote
#7.1 - Fri Jun 15, 2007 8:59 AM EDT
bainphysics

Bloomberg went republican because he wouldn't have won the dem nomination. don't forget that no one thought he'd win the mayor's office, either. a republican was far from a shoo-in when nyc was gearing up for the primaries (that was all before 9/11/01 of course).

    #7.2 - Fri Jun 15, 2007 10:49 AM EDT
    Brian White

    Arnold's been a Republican for quite a long time, it's nothing new. He used to do fundraisers for them, and was called Conan the Republican which I always found amusing.

      #7.3 - Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:17 PM EDT
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